Acupuncture Techniques in Traditional Chinese Medicine : How Does Acupuncture Work?
December 5th, 2009Learn how acupuncture can work for you in this free video on acupuncture in traditional Chinese medicine. Expert: Dr. Guan-Yuan Jin, MD, L.Ac Bio: Dr. Guan-Yuan Jin, MD, L..Ac is an internationally renowned Qigong Master, Medical Acupuncturist, and Doctor. Filmmaker: Guan-Yuan Jin
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July 8th, 2009 at 3:48 am
What can it help with? Is it effective for neurological disorders?
August 31st, 2009 at 12:23 am
Tastentier – I have links to double blind placebo controlled studies but they are in the cochrane database. but since you are a healthcare expert you already know that Cochrane (the formost database on western medical trails) is FLOODED with such trials proving the eficacy of acupuncture.
This is why Mayo Clinic and all major urban hospitals use it, and why UCLA and Stanford Schools of Medicine teach it to MDs.
How are you more qualified than the NIH and the WHO, Mayo, UCLA and Stanford?
August 31st, 2009 at 12:30 am
Tastentier siad “pain is a field where mere suggestion is enough”
Oh really? So why didn’t the MDs “mere suggestion” work, because most people that see acupuncturists go to MDs first. Many Acupuncturists see pain patients after they had surgeries, have been on multiple meds, had MRIs, been to neurologists and pain centers…all to no avail. they are “placebo-ed” OUT by the time they drag themselves to an acupuncturist.. MD credentials on the wall have measureable placebo effect too.
August 31st, 2009 at 1:15 pm
One reason is that the trust in proper doctors is being ruined by all the sham practicioners, such as acupuncturists. I’ve been “treated” by such people myself. A major part of their sales pitch is the claim that proper scientific medicine is the devil, that pharmaceuticals only cause more symptoms, or addiction or turn something relatively harmless into a chronical disease. That’s also a reason why so-called alternative medicine can be an outright danger to the patient.
August 31st, 2009 at 1:18 pm
Another reason is that MDs rarely prescribe placebos. They prescribe things that have an effect. And side effects, as everything that actually does anything within the body. (One hint that acupuncture does pretty much nothing is the lack of side effects. Give a patient with low blood pressure the acupuncture treatment for high blood pressure, and he won’t feel any worse). Anyway, patient reads package insert, reads about side effects = nocebo effect, the exact opposite of a placebo effect.
August 31st, 2009 at 1:23 pm
As for those trials: I haven’t seen any that was properly double-blinded, randomized and placebo-controlled (which could only be done by “false” acupuncturists, laymen poking needles into random spots). The Standford trial in 2001, for example, was such a pro-acupuncture biased hoax study. There was no real placebo group resp. no placebo treatment. And the WHO has political reasons, they can hardly call traditional Chinese medicine a sham. If you have any links, I’ll be happy to look into them.
August 31st, 2009 at 1:32 pm
By the way, what do you make of the fact that the entire basis of acupuncture is entirely unscientific and esoteric, if not to say mystic or magical? All claims that have been made about the function principle are not only unproven, but thoroughly disproven by the fact that there are no meridians in the human body, and no such thing as qi that flows through these obscure points. Ask any biologist or proper MD what he thinks of meridians and qi.
September 8th, 2009 at 12:54 am
It does work, and I think especially for disorders related to nervous system or neuro (don’t know how to say it right). My father is a doctor in Vietnam who studied Germany, he also has many friends who are specialized in traditional medical practice. Being very critical to traditional practice he still never denied its effectiveness sometimes. There are good and bad doctors for every practices. And if a treatment gives good measurable results, it doesn’t matter if its placebo or not.
September 8th, 2009 at 3:08 pm
He might not be but I am, 2 years at caltech,2 years at mit,doing 4 now at UCF getting my PhD in theoretical physics and also studying electrophysiology, I can confidently tell you that none of the schools I have attended have ANY CLUE about the physical laws which REALLY govern our cosmos, we do not understand Water and Electricity, and until we (Academia) understands Water and Electricity from micro to macro people like you will be Lost and Wrong, Stop pretending like you know what your saying
September 8th, 2009 at 3:11 pm
I say this because until we understand Water and Electricity from micro to macro we will never understand the laws which govern the cosmos and also the minutest spaces of human beings, apply electricity to your muscles and watch them contract and expand, that is qi-ki-chi and is proof enough that its “real”, if you understood true unified physical laws of the cosmos-nature how it governs ALL things including the human body you would have little to no doubt this is real, Water and Electricity
September 9th, 2009 at 6:56 pm
tasteentier – Acupuncturists think that “proper” medicine is the devil? Oh Really? Why is 1/3 of their Masters Degree in Western Medicine?
Mayo Clinic, our National Instututes of Health, the World Health Organization all endorse or USE acupuncture while the Stanford and UCLA Schools of Medicine teach it to MDs. Ultra-Scientific Germany now provides Acu as part of their National Healthcare.
It is NOT Placebo, it would be illegal for MDs to us it in place of other therapies if it were.
September 11th, 2009 at 6:03 pm
Sorry, but this is unscientific mystical nonsense. It’s the kind of language used by people who lack a proper school education, but want to pass themselves off as knowledgable or scholarly to even more uneducated folks. Yes, electricity triggers muscle contraction. That is an electric current though, not qi or chi. Such an ion current is utterly unimpressed by your sticking needles in the patient. It is not your magical qui, it has nothing to do with the unproven concept of qui or meridians.
September 11th, 2009 at 6:08 pm
I have no idea what kind of master’s degree acupuncturists make up among themselves. Around here, acupuncture is not part of any professional education in the medical field. I’ve already pointed out the “trial” of the Mayo Clinic as a poor study without a placebo group, and I’ve also explained why the WHO is very poilitically correct about traditional sham treatment like acupuncture, ayurveda and so on (they don’t “endorse” it, they merely talk around the fact that it’s witchdoctery). So…
September 11th, 2009 at 6:13 pm
…so you’re merely repeating arguments that have already been refuted. As for your other claim: I live in the supposedly ultra-scientific Germany, where apothecaries carry homeopathic “medicine”, dentists experiment with hypnosis like stage magicians and the widely uneducated majority easily falls for scams such as magnet therapy, which are then financed by the one or other health insurance in order to win customers (there is not one big national healthcare anymore, but…
September 11th, 2009 at 6:17 pm
…but healthy competition in the health insurance sector. which is exactly why a lot of bullshit treatments are being paid for nowadays; the patients want it, the insurances pay it in order to compete).
There’s a reason that most progress in the medical sector happens in the USA nowadays. In any case, acupuncture is still alternative medicine. Some insurances pay it as placebo treatment for knee and back pain. They list it under “psychosomatic medical care”, which should tell you something.
September 11th, 2009 at 7:49 pm
sorry but… did he say suckulation??? Just a minute… yup… suckulation! Great, gonna get my girlfriend some acupuncture!
September 12th, 2009 at 5:30 am
From micro to macro? Ancient sacred sciences? Vibratory physics? With all due respect, you are talking utter bullshit here. And you’d know that if you really had the university education that you claim to have. Either you were laughing your behind off as you tried to come up with as much blatant nonsense as possible, wondering if I’d fall for this, or you’re simply an uneducated person who thinks that this pseudo-scientific blurb will make you sound knowledgable. Either way, I’m done here.
September 12th, 2009 at 5:41 am
By the way, this shows which level of education it takes to argue in favor of acupuncture. No offense meant.
To say something constructive: Don’t waste any more money on esoteric books, it’s really not worth it. Rule of thumb: Whenever somebody tells you that they can explain how everything works, in a way that is easy to understand, they’re lying to you. Do yourself a favor and get a real education. I highly recommend the audio & DVD lectures of The Teaching Company, or a college degree.
September 12th, 2009 at 5:07 pm
english is my secondary language , im originally from sweden, i will soon have my PhD in theoretical physics while you continue to argue textbook garbage as if its the word of god, Micro to macro,sacred sciences,vibratory physics..what is wrong with these terms? Especially because its purely a fact of nature
September 13th, 2009 at 1:07 am
I’m German, and English is my second language as well. This is not a language problem we’re having here, you’re simply talking esoteric nonsense. If you were studying any field of science, you’d be aware of that.
There is no such thing as vibratory physics, “micro to macro” doesn’t mean anything, and “sacred sciences”… I mean, really now. Outside of the world of pseudo science and witchdoctory, none of this means anything. You, Sir, have no education in the natural sciences whatsoever.
September 15th, 2009 at 5:16 am
Tastentier – So we get it. You have a personal crusade to bash Acupuncture. The rest of us will take the advice of the National Institute of Health, The World Health organization, Mayo Clinic, The UCLA and SDtanford Schools of Medicine. The former ENDORSE Acupuncture (because it has been proven though many, many Double blind placebo controlled trials) and the latter teach it to MD’s because it WORKS.
The leaders in Medicine are for it, you are against it. Let it go bro…
September 15th, 2009 at 5:23 am
Tastentier – well chief, if you lived in the United States you would have a vague idea what is going on in Healthcare. Mayo Clinic didn’t run some “trial” that failed, they have an Acupuncture Department now. They are ultra-conservative and lead the world in cutting edge medicine, so I will take their expert opinion over the rantings of an obviously biased ranting opinion such as yourself.
September 15th, 2009 at 5:32 am
Tastentier – Do you know that 1/3 of the Masters in Traditional Chinese Medicine are courses taught by Licensed Physicians? Or that the Masters requirements are dictated by the US Dept of Education not “made up among themselves” as you said? Western Medicine is highly regarded in the TCM schools and if a person wants to get a Doctorate, the last two years are moslty Western Medicine. It is YOU sir that has flaky, unscientific preconceptions. You have nothing to stand on so you make stuff up.
September 17th, 2009 at 1:47 am
You can’t discuss the ocean with a well frog – he’s limited by the space he lives in. You can’t
discuss ice with a summer insect – he’s bound by a single season. You can’t discuss the Way with a cramped scholar – he’s shackled by his doctrines.
October 25th, 2009 at 4:14 pm
SHORT COMMENT FTW!!!