Acupuncture and Chinese Medicine Video – Minneapolis, MN
Acupuncture testimonials at Minneapolis clinic Complete Oriental Medical Care. Learn how acupuncture treats pain, depression and other health problems. Licensed acupuncturist Steven Sonmore explains acupuncture and Chinese medicine.
It’s combination of expectation, suggestion, counter-irritation, conditioning, and other psychologic mechanisms.
Acupuncture does release endorphins, which ease pain, but so does getting punched in the face.
And getting punched in the face won’t put you at risk for local hematoma, local infections, bacterial endocarditis, punctured lung, and nerve damage.
Plus getting punched in the face is free.
Save your money
Well, the US government just spent over $2 billion investigating numerous alternative medicine claims.
Pfizer didn’t do the tests, The National Center for Complementary and Alternative Medicine did, with meta analysis by my university among others.
I’ve been a graduate research assistant for three years, there are no pharma goons stalking the campus, we just publish the data.
are you saying accupuncture does not work at all?
this is a genuine question
That doesn’t actually prove anything. Basic causality and logic.
If A then B
The only definitive correlation is the condition
If A and not B
And in this case, the statement was false.
All the study has shown is that MDs are worth less when it comes to treating back pain than acupuncture is.
How does that not prove anything?
Group A is Control (MD Treatment only)
Group B is Placebo (MD plus toothpicks)
Group C (MD plus real acupuncture)
All start with 9 on pain scale. When the study is complete, the patients are asked to rate pain again:
Group A: 6
Group B: 3
Group C: 3
It’s a placebo, the very purpose of group B was to control for this effect, and we got a null result. Trained acupuncturist following chi points, or me with a toothpick telling you it’s real, same results.
Correlation does not imply causality.
Still yet again, though, it shows a lack of worth when it comes to MD treatment for back pain.
It’s not a correlation, it’s a controlled study, big difference.
You’re missing the point a controlled study. As with every treatment ever conceived, it has to be measured against a placebo for efficacy.
If I give one group a sugar pill, and a second group a new pain killer, and both report similar improvement, we can conclude that the pain killer doesn’t work.
How does it show a lack of worth for MD treatment? MD treatment wasn’t a variable.
Correlation is part of what a controlled study does. It shows one thing and puts it up against what happened in another situation. That is correlation. This is an inductive reasoning method. In this case, it does not prove a causal link because some other principles entirely could be at work beyond the scope of the study.
As for MD treatment you wrote:
“Group 1 received only M.D. care
2 received M.D. care and true acupuncture
3 received M.D. care and fake acupuncture (random toothpick pokes)”
Both other situations worked better than the control itself. Just because it isn’t a variable doesn’t mean it logically is not responsible to its involvement.
As for the pain pill, this is not necessarily true, but we consider in our limited knowledge scope and for the sake of a face-paced money making culture of medicine: It is possible that the pain killer does not work, and it seems that there is a probability that it holds no significant value.
Scientific method is an outlet of logic and must obey logic, unless it only considers a scientific methodology in its study (which is a very narrow scope) and speaks only in those terms. In those terms “law” is a “the way we guess that all things are because we see it sometimes is…” and principle is “most likely what happens is.”
Science is great…. but its methodology isn’t everything. Science must yield to reason.
Of course, and don’t think that I believe that acupuncture can’t POSSIBLY work.
When I say I don’t believe in acupuncture, what I’m really saying is “It has not yet been shown to have anymore effect than a similarly administered placebo”
If a reliable study is published to the contrary, or the mechanism for how it could work are identified, I’ll change my mind on the issue.
cont.
And I’d love for such a study to be released, acupuncture is a minimally invasive procedure which claims to be able to cure/treat a wide range of afflictions which cause people to suffer.
I would love acupuncture to work.
But no one can say HOW acupuncture works, nor IF it works with any certainty, in fact, when measured, it always looks like it doesn’t. Therefore, I don’t think it does.
For it to be a placebo you must beleive contrary evidence- which the above study did not provide. The neutral stance, which may be better descriptive of yourself, is a true skeptic (one refusing to pass judgment).
As for the How: How do quatum bits work? You can’t measure those either.
doesnt it hurt?
If it is done right, it shouldn’t hurt at all.
it helps alot
The World Health Organization and The National Institutes of Health both endorse Acupuncture for 81 illnesses while the Mayo Clinic and most major US Hospitals have an Acupuncture Department, and The UCLA and Stanford Schools of Medicine both teach it MDs as continuing education. None of these experts could do any of these actions if it was “merely” a placebo. It would even be ILLEGAL for healthcare practitioners to bill insurance for it, yet they do. Good day.
It wont cure anything at all, either. Go to a fucking doctor.
and you know this because you are an expert in what field?
Common sense.
you are an expert in common sense? Are you also an expert in the human body nervous system and electrical system? Do you know how many people have been helped by this? If one would apply common sense to something they do not understand their common sense would tell them to research the subject a little more before they make a blanket statement to indicate they are an expert on the subject – without knowing anything about the subject. Several hundred years ago “common sense” told – contd
Blah blah blah. Fact of the matter is: there is no scientific evidence whatsoever that proves acupuncture does anything besides release small amounts of endorphins.
everyone the world was flat. Before Albert Einstein developed the theory of relativity – common sense (I should say in some people claiming they knew it all) said his theory was wrong. My point is simply this – don’t debunk something if you know nothing about it. I know you know nothing about EFT because of your statement.
maybe it’s your Cuban heritage to be thick headed but read the comments below – you are wrong in the statement you just made senior. LOL, when people can’t think of something to say they always say blah. You’re wrong and screw you!